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		<title>By: Rob Wipond</title>
		<link>http://robwipond.com/?p=37&#038;cpage=1#comment-1407</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Wipond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck, Kale! Keep us posted on what happens, I&#039;d be very interested to know.</description>
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		<title>By: Kale</title>
		<link>http://robwipond.com/?p=37&#038;cpage=1#comment-1403</link>
		<dc:creator>Kale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Im not alone after all! My story is very similar to every story on this page.

Im not even tring climb the chain of command anymore.

After countless calls to their customer service telling them my phone isnt working,and many months after mistakingly agreeing to a one year lock in to internet service,still havent recieved my modem or start up disc!

I did however recieve a fancy letter thanking me for choosing Telus internet!

Going on a year now,and the only response Ive gotten from Telus is a bill for anouther month of non service.

Im in the process of taking them to small claims court now.

The first step is to make sure youre sueing the right people,do a corporation registry search,went to the registry and surprize Telus has at least 20 different possiable entities to choose from!

Looks like the beginning of anouther run around.

If any one on this post has gone through the small claims process,any wisdom would be greatly appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Im not alone after all! My story is very similar to every story on this page.</p>
<p>Im not even tring climb the chain of command anymore.</p>
<p>After countless calls to their customer service telling them my phone isnt working,and many months after mistakingly agreeing to a one year lock in to internet service,still havent recieved my modem or start up disc!</p>
<p>I did however recieve a fancy letter thanking me for choosing Telus internet!</p>
<p>Going on a year now,and the only response Ive gotten from Telus is a bill for anouther month of non service.</p>
<p>Im in the process of taking them to small claims court now.</p>
<p>The first step is to make sure youre sueing the right people,do a corporation registry search,went to the registry and surprize Telus has at least 20 different possiable entities to choose from!</p>
<p>Looks like the beginning of anouther run around.</p>
<p>If any one on this post has gone through the small claims process,any wisdom would be greatly appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamara</title>
		<link>http://robwipond.com/?p=37&#038;cpage=1#comment-1103</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the good news is that Telus has radically overhauled their customer service policies! Oh.  No.  Wait.  My bad.  Check that.  What I meant was their customer policies remain patently UNCHANGED.

It has been more than 2 years since you wrote your article, Ron.  I literally hung up from Telus customer disservice moments ago, having been informed that my service has been suspended (despite being paid in full).  This, of course, after holding for 15 minutes to get a live person.

I was also informed:
...that I will NOT be credited for the charges for services now not rendered.

...that they would NOT be willing to committ any of this information to writing, and therefore I could not possibly receive any written documentation of these illegal charges for services not rendered.

...that my comments to them, however, would be duly (and entirely objectively and accurately, I&#039;m SURE!) recorded in their internal &quot;comments&quot; field in their computer system.

...and that, furthermore, I would NOT be transferred to a manager.  Hailey, the oh-so-helpful-and-friendly agent (can you hear the dripping sarcasm?) to whom I spoke, informed me that it is of course NOT Telus&#039; policy to deny customers the name/contact info of Telus customer service management personnel.  But that it &quot;doesnt need to be policy. Because you dont need to know, so I&#039;m not going to tell you.&quot;

Really.  How do you argue with reason like that?  I&#039;d laugh if my head didn&#039;t hurt from all that bashing it against a brick wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the good news is that Telus has radically overhauled their customer service policies! Oh.  No.  Wait.  My bad.  Check that.  What I meant was their customer policies remain patently UNCHANGED.</p>
<p>It has been more than 2 years since you wrote your article, Ron.  I literally hung up from Telus customer disservice moments ago, having been informed that my service has been suspended (despite being paid in full).  This, of course, after holding for 15 minutes to get a live person.</p>
<p>I was also informed:<br />
&#8230;that I will NOT be credited for the charges for services now not rendered.</p>
<p>&#8230;that they would NOT be willing to committ any of this information to writing, and therefore I could not possibly receive any written documentation of these illegal charges for services not rendered.</p>
<p>&#8230;that my comments to them, however, would be duly (and entirely objectively and accurately, I&#8217;m SURE!) recorded in their internal &#8220;comments&#8221; field in their computer system.</p>
<p>&#8230;and that, furthermore, I would NOT be transferred to a manager.  Hailey, the oh-so-helpful-and-friendly agent (can you hear the dripping sarcasm?) to whom I spoke, informed me that it is of course NOT Telus&#8217; policy to deny customers the name/contact info of Telus customer service management personnel.  But that it &#8220;doesnt need to be policy. Because you dont need to know, so I&#8217;m not going to tell you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really.  How do you argue with reason like that?  I&#8217;d laugh if my head didn&#8217;t hurt from all that bashing it against a brick wall.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Wipond</title>
		<link>http://robwipond.com/?p=37&#038;cpage=1#comment-777</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Wipond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to hear that, Tristan. Sometimes it can help to try to get your complaints and their responses documented in writing by emailing their main customer service head office (address or form is on their website). Then you can at least present it to a third party like a Telus senior manager, the BBB or in court as evidence. Unfortunately, as you noticed in my case, it didn&#039;t help much in terms of pure hassle, but it did prevent them from getting the extra money from me. Keep in mind, most of the people you will speak with have absolutely no power to change anything, are not paid well, and are instructed by their bosses to do exactly what they do to you. So the only recourse is to try to get things documented, and climb the hierarchy until you find someone who at least has some power to actually change something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear that, Tristan. Sometimes it can help to try to get your complaints and their responses documented in writing by emailing their main customer service head office (address or form is on their website). Then you can at least present it to a third party like a Telus senior manager, the BBB or in court as evidence. Unfortunately, as you noticed in my case, it didn&#8217;t help much in terms of pure hassle, but it did prevent them from getting the extra money from me. Keep in mind, most of the people you will speak with have absolutely no power to change anything, are not paid well, and are instructed by their bosses to do exactly what they do to you. So the only recourse is to try to get things documented, and climb the hierarchy until you find someone who at least has some power to actually change something.</p>
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		<title>By: TristanThepiston</title>
		<link>http://robwipond.com/?p=37&#038;cpage=1#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator>TristanThepiston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got off the phone with a telus customer disservice representative. I have never in my life been so insulted by as many representatives of one company. They told me they refused to speak to me about my account until i payed the amount which in less than a week had doubled. I was adamant that I was willing to pay the original amount that they told me was required less than a week ago and that i expected to hold them to the information that they supplied me with, they told me that i dont have a leg to stand on and that if i dont pay then they will send it to collections, I feel extremely angry and ill used, they treated a client who was more than willing to make a payment and lied to him, treated him like a small piece of crap and basically made it impossible to resume my phone service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got off the phone with a telus customer disservice representative. I have never in my life been so insulted by as many representatives of one company. They told me they refused to speak to me about my account until i payed the amount which in less than a week had doubled. I was adamant that I was willing to pay the original amount that they told me was required less than a week ago and that i expected to hold them to the information that they supplied me with, they told me that i dont have a leg to stand on and that if i dont pay then they will send it to collections, I feel extremely angry and ill used, they treated a client who was more than willing to make a payment and lied to him, treated him like a small piece of crap and basically made it impossible to resume my phone service.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://robwipond.com/?p=37&#038;cpage=1#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan: Sounds like my story, only worse! Sorry to hear it; but not surprised. If you&#039;re feeling energetic (I got burned out), you can always try writing a complaint to the CRTC; there&#039;s an area on their website where you can do it. (not sure how the Better Business Bureau would respond..) In your case, with the physical/electronic evidence unequivocal that you never actually used the service, I would think you have a hands-down case for getting all that money back. Really, you could probably sue Telus in small claims court, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan: Sounds like my story, only worse! Sorry to hear it; but not surprised. If you&#8217;re feeling energetic (I got burned out), you can always try writing a complaint to the CRTC; there&#8217;s an area on their website where you can do it. (not sure how the Better Business Bureau would respond..) In your case, with the physical/electronic evidence unequivocal that you never actually used the service, I would think you have a hands-down case for getting all that money back. Really, you could probably sue Telus in small claims court, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a terrible story to share with you. I have been a loyal BCTel/Telus customer for over 12 years with not a single late bill. I have also been a loyal Shaw Cable Internet Subscriber for almost as long, but when Telus began to offer their DSL Internet service at a lower price in 2005, I was offered a trial of their service to see if it was as reliable for a slightly lower price. I was given a DSL modem and tried for several days to get a signal and tried all the tricks from technical support and I was never actually connected to their network before sending back the entire hardware package. I made sure and asked as I sent back the box back to Calgary: &quot;So, I send this back and I won&#039;t be charged for this right?&quot; They explained that there would be a charge on my next bill for the cost of the modem with a full refund next to it but no future charges were pending, and I took them at their word.

I have since moved twice and each time I called to switch my service to a new address, I was simply asked, &quot;are you happy with your services as they are?&quot; I would replay yes in all cases. Even when I received a periodic call about my happiness with my services, I would always say yes, refusing to add any additional cost to my family of 5&#039;s tight budget.

Fast forward to January 25, 2008. My wife, who has the responsibility of managing our finances, was wondering why our bill is so expensive every month, scrutinized the $30 of &quot;other services&quot; on page 1 of our bill and asked me, &quot;do we get Internet service from Telus or Shaw?&quot; I said &quot;Shaw of course. We don&#039;t even have the equipment to get DSL cable. Are we being charged for it?&quot;

Yes we are, it turns out. Since June of 1996, in fact. My wife, feeling foolish for not noticing called customer service to rectify the situation. The first customer service representative explained that they would charge us an additional $140 to cancel the rest of our &quot;contract&quot; and no refund of any kind would be issued since it was noted on our account that we always reported satisfaction with our service. My wife called 3 more times to make sense of this and despite talking with some CSR&#039;s with a less smug attitude, found that they were not willing to help in any way. This is likely due to a note left on the account by the first CSR, since they all sounded more apologetic during at the beginning of the call and would soon change their tune. Not one of them would escalate the call to a floor manager and all the time kept insisting, &quot;you KNEW you had Internet service. There&#039;s no way for us to check if you were using it.&quot; They could check if I was a suspected pedophile and distributing porn, but they clearly weren&#039;t going to go out of their way. 

The charge is on the bill on page 2, but for someone who pays their bills on time every month without question, there is no reason to question the nondescript &quot;additional charges&quot; box on the first page.

I called and rationally explained that we didn&#039;t have the equipment to receive this service and the CSR I talked to said, &quot;Yes, I see this. Also it says you never got your iPod that was supposed to be part of the deal.&quot; Exactly! This really was a covert spy operation to get some slick salesperson a commission on my trusting nature.

This time I was transferred to retention because my wife tried to cancel our service in tears with her last call. This gentleman agreed to credit our account for 2 months of high-speed Internet and credit back the cancellation fee for its service discontinuation. I also got $50 credit for upcoming long-distance charges so I stayed with the company (even though the total was closer to $900 of illegal charges.) As soon as VIOP service comes to Mission, I&#039;m switching.

I used to work at a call centre. That job was for Sprint USA mobile customers, and of all companies this one has the worst customer service satisfaction. But I took my job very seriously and honestly tried to help everyone, never assuming fraud and understanding my powers completely. I knew when it was time to escalate a call to a floor manager, or when their was an error on the company’s part and they were due a large sum of money. 
Based on my wife’s experience, it sounds like things are worse. This situation could almost be called “slamming” my account, where someone charged the account with a service that was not agreed to. Not only are the policies flawed and their billing confusing, but there is a growing unwillingness to accept responsibility and to pass the buck to the next guy to keep their handle time low. You can&#039;t trust anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a terrible story to share with you. I have been a loyal BCTel/Telus customer for over 12 years with not a single late bill. I have also been a loyal Shaw Cable Internet Subscriber for almost as long, but when Telus began to offer their DSL Internet service at a lower price in 2005, I was offered a trial of their service to see if it was as reliable for a slightly lower price. I was given a DSL modem and tried for several days to get a signal and tried all the tricks from technical support and I was never actually connected to their network before sending back the entire hardware package. I made sure and asked as I sent back the box back to Calgary: &#8220;So, I send this back and I won&#8217;t be charged for this right?&#8221; They explained that there would be a charge on my next bill for the cost of the modem with a full refund next to it but no future charges were pending, and I took them at their word.</p>
<p>I have since moved twice and each time I called to switch my service to a new address, I was simply asked, &#8220;are you happy with your services as they are?&#8221; I would replay yes in all cases. Even when I received a periodic call about my happiness with my services, I would always say yes, refusing to add any additional cost to my family of 5&#8242;s tight budget.</p>
<p>Fast forward to January 25, 2008. My wife, who has the responsibility of managing our finances, was wondering why our bill is so expensive every month, scrutinized the $30 of &#8220;other services&#8221; on page 1 of our bill and asked me, &#8220;do we get Internet service from Telus or Shaw?&#8221; I said &#8220;Shaw of course. We don&#8217;t even have the equipment to get DSL cable. Are we being charged for it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes we are, it turns out. Since June of 1996, in fact. My wife, feeling foolish for not noticing called customer service to rectify the situation. The first customer service representative explained that they would charge us an additional $140 to cancel the rest of our &#8220;contract&#8221; and no refund of any kind would be issued since it was noted on our account that we always reported satisfaction with our service. My wife called 3 more times to make sense of this and despite talking with some CSR&#8217;s with a less smug attitude, found that they were not willing to help in any way. This is likely due to a note left on the account by the first CSR, since they all sounded more apologetic during at the beginning of the call and would soon change their tune. Not one of them would escalate the call to a floor manager and all the time kept insisting, &#8220;you KNEW you had Internet service. There&#8217;s no way for us to check if you were using it.&#8221; They could check if I was a suspected pedophile and distributing porn, but they clearly weren&#8217;t going to go out of their way. </p>
<p>The charge is on the bill on page 2, but for someone who pays their bills on time every month without question, there is no reason to question the nondescript &#8220;additional charges&#8221; box on the first page.</p>
<p>I called and rationally explained that we didn&#8217;t have the equipment to receive this service and the CSR I talked to said, &#8220;Yes, I see this. Also it says you never got your iPod that was supposed to be part of the deal.&#8221; Exactly! This really was a covert spy operation to get some slick salesperson a commission on my trusting nature.</p>
<p>This time I was transferred to retention because my wife tried to cancel our service in tears with her last call. This gentleman agreed to credit our account for 2 months of high-speed Internet and credit back the cancellation fee for its service discontinuation. I also got $50 credit for upcoming long-distance charges so I stayed with the company (even though the total was closer to $900 of illegal charges.) As soon as VIOP service comes to Mission, I&#8217;m switching.</p>
<p>I used to work at a call centre. That job was for Sprint USA mobile customers, and of all companies this one has the worst customer service satisfaction. But I took my job very seriously and honestly tried to help everyone, never assuming fraud and understanding my powers completely. I knew when it was time to escalate a call to a floor manager, or when their was an error on the company’s part and they were due a large sum of money.<br />
Based on my wife’s experience, it sounds like things are worse. This situation could almost be called “slamming” my account, where someone charged the account with a service that was not agreed to. Not only are the policies flawed and their billing confusing, but there is a growing unwillingness to accept responsibility and to pass the buck to the next guy to keep their handle time low. You can&#8217;t trust anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Wipond</title>
		<link>http://robwipond.com/?p=37&#038;cpage=1#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Wipond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 05:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel for you, dude!

We really need a STUDY to try to get a sense of how common these things really are... how many times a year... how many people... how much money... how many companies...

rw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel for you, dude!</p>
<p>We really need a STUDY to try to get a sense of how common these things really are&#8230; how many times a year&#8230; how many people&#8230; how much money&#8230; how many companies&#8230;</p>
<p>rw</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 02:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh wow.  Yeah Rob.  Telus charged me $100 for activating a phone line just because it was in Langford.  Then they activated mine and my neighbor&#039;s lines as one, my number only.  Took a week to straighten out, and a lot of hanging around the house waiting for surly personnel.  But the real corker has been davidbowie.com, BowieNet.  It&#039;s a hub for (mainly) Bowie fans and (subsidiarily) artists interested in creating websites and an online community.  These people were peachy until last year, when I paid late.  My bad.  But in the time it took me to mail their money, they (without telling me) stopped accepting money orders through the mail.  So they said I was cancelled.  I got my envelope back Undeliverable and asked them to contact me.  Nothing.  Again and again, no response.  Eventually I logged on to clear my e-mail of its horrendous spam load and discovered I was locked out of my web file manager.  I freaked, and began pushing for cancellation - screw the billing f&amp;*kup.  That took a couple weeks.  What might have happened if my webspace had been hacked??!??!??!  Nothing I could do.  They don&#039;t care.  Concluded the episode by giving the bird impotently to the monitor, reading the BowieNet grunt&#039;s cheery &quot;Cheers,&quot; farewell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wow.  Yeah Rob.  Telus charged me $100 for activating a phone line just because it was in Langford.  Then they activated mine and my neighbor&#8217;s lines as one, my number only.  Took a week to straighten out, and a lot of hanging around the house waiting for surly personnel.  But the real corker has been davidbowie.com, BowieNet.  It&#8217;s a hub for (mainly) Bowie fans and (subsidiarily) artists interested in creating websites and an online community.  These people were peachy until last year, when I paid late.  My bad.  But in the time it took me to mail their money, they (without telling me) stopped accepting money orders through the mail.  So they said I was cancelled.  I got my envelope back Undeliverable and asked them to contact me.  Nothing.  Again and again, no response.  Eventually I logged on to clear my e-mail of its horrendous spam load and discovered I was locked out of my web file manager.  I freaked, and began pushing for cancellation &#8211; screw the billing f&amp;*kup.  That took a couple weeks.  What might have happened if my webspace had been hacked??!??!??!  Nothing I could do.  They don&#8217;t care.  Concluded the episode by giving the bird impotently to the monitor, reading the BowieNet grunt&#8217;s cheery &#8220;Cheers,&#8221; farewell.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Wipond</title>
		<link>http://robwipond.com/?p=37&#038;cpage=1#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Wipond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 05:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Youch! Of course, yours is one of a growing number of stories I&#039;ve been hearing. I would really like to see a study done -- if some economics dept at a university could get access to thousands of bills from various companies and analyze them for mistakes and give us some concrete percentages on how widespread this is and how much time people are spending, maybe some sort of laws could be passed to curtail it.

A whistleblower could help, too. I have so far had a couple former employees of companies contact me to say that they too had always been suspicious when they saw so many false bills, but so far no one has come forward to reveal an actual training program of lying or anything like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youch! Of course, yours is one of a growing number of stories I&#8217;ve been hearing. I would really like to see a study done &#8212; if some economics dept at a university could get access to thousands of bills from various companies and analyze them for mistakes and give us some concrete percentages on how widespread this is and how much time people are spending, maybe some sort of laws could be passed to curtail it.</p>
<p>A whistleblower could help, too. I have so far had a couple former employees of companies contact me to say that they too had always been suspicious when they saw so many false bills, but so far no one has come forward to reveal an actual training program of lying or anything like that.</p>
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